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	<title>Comments on: Samir Abu Hamza &#8211; It is okay to beat and rape your wife</title>
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		<title>By: N.S</title>
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		<dc:creator>N.S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the comment are so stupid and the writer as well..Try to be open minded and start looking at yourself before judging any religion..You will be for account in the day of judgement..so let&#039;s understand our goal in this life..PEACE </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the comment are so stupid and the writer as well..Try to be open minded and start looking at yourself before judging any religion..You will be for account in the day of judgement..so let&#039;s understand our goal in this life..PEACE</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#8217;m afraid your statement that the Koran &quot;preaches&quot; this is incorrect.  
In fact there is a lot of evidence to say that a very large majority of the Muslim society don&#8217;t even know what the true Koran says. Mainly because it was written so long ago in the old Muslim language that has been lost in translation as the years went by. This then promotes extremist Muslim groups to teach their version of the Koran without checking with experts to see whether their preaching is correct &lt;clearly not&gt; and a vast majority of experts would agree with me. However who are we to interfere with their culture and society that we may find immoral may not neccicerily be immoral to them. So in all fairness we should not interfere...  We should just leave them to sort out their own moral issues without us trying to impose our beliefs, which in many cases is just as wrong..  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&rsquo;m afraid your statement that the Koran &quot;preaches&quot; this is incorrect.<br />
In fact there is a lot of evidence to say that a very large majority of the Muslim society don&rsquo;t even know what the true Koran says. Mainly because it was written so long ago in the old Muslim language that has been lost in translation as the years went by. This then promotes extremist Muslim groups to teach their version of the Koran without checking with experts to see whether their preaching is correct &lt;clearly not&gt; and a vast majority of experts would agree with me. However who are we to interfere with their culture and society that we may find immoral may not neccicerily be immoral to them. So in all fairness we should not interfere&#8230;  We should just leave them to sort out their own moral issues without us trying to impose our beliefs, which in many cases is just as wrong..</p>
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		<title>By: SeandBlogonaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeandBlogonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However who are we to interfere with their culture and society that we may find immoral may not neccicerily be immoral to them. So in all fairness we should not interfere... We should just leave them to sort out their own moral issues without us trying to impose our beliefs, which in many cases is just as wrong..&lt;/i&gt; 
 
If we were talking about the eating of pork, or how to cut your hair it wouldn&#039;t bother me, but we are talking about human rights and the rape of women.  In Australia we are governed by the rule of law, and that law should cover everyone.  I am afraid that they knew we were a democratic country upholding the rule of law when they came here.  Them&#039;s the rules.  
 
I find you &quot;washing of hands&quot; approach unsettling to say the least </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However who are we to interfere with their culture and society that we may find immoral may not neccicerily be immoral to them. So in all fairness we should not interfere&#8230; We should just leave them to sort out their own moral issues without us trying to impose our beliefs, which in many cases is just as wrong..</i> </p>
<p>If we were talking about the eating of pork, or how to cut your hair it wouldn&#39;t bother me, but we are talking about human rights and the rape of women.  In Australia we are governed by the rule of law, and that law should cover everyone.  I am afraid that they knew we were a democratic country upholding the rule of law when they came here.  Them&#39;s the rules.  </p>
<p>I find you &quot;washing of hands&quot; approach unsettling to say the least</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(2) So how bout you shut your pie trap, stay on the topic of Samir Abu Hamza owing an apology for his comments on Wifely duties, that IINSA should repudiate him &amp; relieve him of his position with them, and be done with it? It&#039;s called regulation, and sometimes is necessary - The number of misguided preachers from all denominations say things like this &amp; far worse without recompense, but the Islamic council has rejected his views, quoting their prophet Muhammed in saying &quot;the best of you is he who is kindest to their wife&quot;.   
 
You may be aware Gary, that Australia is a signatory to the 1966 United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights that specifically states: &quot;Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression&quot; We don&#039;t have a constitution of individual rights, but the treaty is universal. So as much as it sucks, it&#039;s what allows you to switch on the Christian channel on foxtel and listen to your preachers speak the word of god as much as it allows a Muslim to tune in to paltalk to follow his own beliefs &amp; express them publically. If it contravenes our Country&#039;s legal system &amp; the individual is in a position of influence, the individual should be addressed &amp; dealt with, not the religion. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs, however misguided they may be.  
 
How about this... You seem solid enough in your faith to listen to the lecture of a man from another religion speak without swaying you, so why not watch one of his sermons for yourself, then judge the man &amp; the religion....  
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvQgalP3mA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvQgalP3mA&lt;/a&gt; (skip to about 5 minutes in, it&#039;s a long intro) 
 
His comments on Australians being largely binge drinkers is accurate. We do have one of the highest pecentages per capita in the world. But he is generalising as suggested in the context. What he said about the duty of the Wife is completely misguided &amp; wrong, there is no excuse for the mans comments, although the fact he said it was the equivalent of tapping them with a toothbrush and only after months of reasoning indicates that the proportion of his comment has been sensationalised through media ratings strategies - But the suggestions of deporting him is what is UnAustralian, the guy&#039;s been here since he was child &amp; expressed one view that was ignorant, in only words, but paid respect to the law in his comments. I personally feel this comes more from his Lebanese background than his religion, the values of domesticity are greatly different in Lebanon than here &amp; include to an extent these views of Wifely &#039;duties&#039;. But let&#039;s not forget preachers are people too, just like your preachers that say eternal damnation waits for all sinners... well that&#039;s me screwed, but i guess you&#039;ve told a fib in your life too you&#039;re damned as well. Or the ones that rape young boys, or just have a fiddle... had to throw that in there, if only to demonstrate your hypocritical stance of your religion opposed to Islam. 
 
For the record, I&#039;m not religious, that would be like shouting &#039;You&#039;re wrong, I&#039;m right. My ideas and faiths are true, yours should be expelled&#039; every single day. The very basis of every war in history. No, instead I just like to be informed before I open my mouth, and I&#039;ll challenge those that display ignorance like your religious agenda post.. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(2) So how bout you shut your pie trap, stay on the topic of Samir Abu Hamza owing an apology for his comments on Wifely duties, that IINSA should repudiate him &amp; relieve him of his position with them, and be done with it? It&#039;s called regulation, and sometimes is necessary &#8211; The number of misguided preachers from all denominations say things like this &amp; far worse without recompense, but the Islamic council has rejected his views, quoting their prophet Muhammed in saying &quot;the best of you is he who is kindest to their wife&quot;.   </p>
<p>You may be aware Gary, that Australia is a signatory to the 1966 United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights that specifically states: &quot;Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression&quot; We don&#039;t have a constitution of individual rights, but the treaty is universal. So as much as it sucks, it&#039;s what allows you to switch on the Christian channel on foxtel and listen to your preachers speak the word of god as much as it allows a Muslim to tune in to paltalk to follow his own beliefs &amp; express them publically. If it contravenes our Country&#039;s legal system &amp; the individual is in a position of influence, the individual should be addressed &amp; dealt with, not the religion. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs, however misguided they may be.  </p>
<p>How about this&#8230; You seem solid enough in your faith to listen to the lecture of a man from another religion speak without swaying you, so why not watch one of his sermons for yourself, then judge the man &amp; the religion&#8230;.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvQgalP3mA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvQgalP3mA</a> (skip to about 5 minutes in, it&#039;s a long intro) </p>
<p>His comments on Australians being largely binge drinkers is accurate. We do have one of the highest pecentages per capita in the world. But he is generalising as suggested in the context. What he said about the duty of the Wife is completely misguided &amp; wrong, there is no excuse for the mans comments, although the fact he said it was the equivalent of tapping them with a toothbrush and only after months of reasoning indicates that the proportion of his comment has been sensationalised through media ratings strategies &#8211; But the suggestions of deporting him is what is UnAustralian, the guy&#039;s been here since he was child &amp; expressed one view that was ignorant, in only words, but paid respect to the law in his comments. I personally feel this comes more from his Lebanese background than his religion, the values of domesticity are greatly different in Lebanon than here &amp; include to an extent these views of Wifely &#039;duties&#039;. But let&#039;s not forget preachers are people too, just like your preachers that say eternal damnation waits for all sinners&#8230; well that&#039;s me screwed, but i guess you&#039;ve told a fib in your life too you&#039;re damned as well. Or the ones that rape young boys, or just have a fiddle&#8230; had to throw that in there, if only to demonstrate your hypocritical stance of your religion opposed to Islam. </p>
<p>For the record, I&#039;m not religious, that would be like shouting &#039;You&#039;re wrong, I&#039;m right. My ideas and faiths are true, yours should be expelled&#039; every single day. The very basis of every war in history. No, instead I just like to be informed before I open my mouth, and I&#039;ll challenge those that display ignorance like your religious agenda post..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) Gary Ryan, you&#039;re little more than a bigot mate. Christianity is a religion of peace my arse... Christian Crusades were hardly peaceful buddy, in fact they were the most brutal times in all known history. There is no religion of peace, the religious context alone states that the people who believe in it are right, and those that don&#039;t are wrong, which breeds contempt, which breeds hatred, which breeds violence. Now, I&#039;m just a 28 year old Aussie, so I would think that Allah, God, Brahman, the Tetragrammaton or Yahweh, or even friggin John smith or L. Ron Hubbard would have come to the conclusion that basing a religion like this would only lead to violence &amp; bloodshed, after all they&#039;re divine right. I don&#039;t include Buddha because he&#039;s not a religious man. Buddhism is a civic code, but hilariously is the closest thing to a religion of peace.  
 
Sure, Samir Abu Hamza was talking out his arse on that topic, but if you honestly think all Muslims agree with those specific ramblings then what&#039;s to stop me saying you follow the teachings of the old testament? you know, the first of your religion&#039;s textbooks? hmmm, let&#039;s look at your religions history then... &quot;EXODUS 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master&#039;s, and he shall go out by himself. And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free. Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul(?) and he shall serve him for ever....&quot; That&#039;s peaceful riiight? Slavery of Jews? Well, it&#039;s sanctioned in YOUR bible so I&#039;m a get me some slaves, and an aul? just in case they try to stand up to me, we are after all in a Christian modelled society. Or  my favourite - EXODUS 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Let&#039;s see how that goes over in today&#039;s society. Although it makes you wonder, particularly Exodus, how &#039;thou shalt not kill&#039; as one of the commandments fits in with all the right to slaying or stoning there is. If a man kills his slave by beating them to death, he&#039;ll just be punished, but a son tells his Dad he to get f*c%ed then he can be killed.... I guess Jewish slaves don&#039;t have as much right to life as Christians eh. So to say that Islam is rubbish because of one appointed mans words of stupidity, when the fabric of existence you base your life on was born from bloodshed, fire &amp; brimstone is bigoted, hateful, and hypocrticial.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Gary Ryan, you&#039;re little more than a bigot mate. Christianity is a religion of peace my arse&#8230; Christian Crusades were hardly peaceful buddy, in fact they were the most brutal times in all known history. There is no religion of peace, the religious context alone states that the people who believe in it are right, and those that don&#039;t are wrong, which breeds contempt, which breeds hatred, which breeds violence. Now, I&#039;m just a 28 year old Aussie, so I would think that Allah, God, Brahman, the Tetragrammaton or Yahweh, or even friggin John smith or L. Ron Hubbard would have come to the conclusion that basing a religion like this would only lead to violence &amp; bloodshed, after all they&#039;re divine right. I don&#039;t include Buddha because he&#039;s not a religious man. Buddhism is a civic code, but hilariously is the closest thing to a religion of peace.  </p>
<p>Sure, Samir Abu Hamza was talking out his arse on that topic, but if you honestly think all Muslims agree with those specific ramblings then what&#039;s to stop me saying you follow the teachings of the old testament? you know, the first of your religion&#039;s textbooks? hmmm, let&#039;s look at your religions history then&#8230; &quot;EXODUS 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master&#039;s, and he shall go out by himself. And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free. Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul(?) and he shall serve him for ever&#8230;.&quot; That&#039;s peaceful riiight? Slavery of Jews? Well, it&#039;s sanctioned in YOUR bible so I&#039;m a get me some slaves, and an aul? just in case they try to stand up to me, we are after all in a Christian modelled society. Or  my favourite &#8211; EXODUS 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Let&#039;s see how that goes over in today&#039;s society. Although it makes you wonder, particularly Exodus, how &#039;thou shalt not kill&#039; as one of the commandments fits in with all the right to slaying or stoning there is. If a man kills his slave by beating them to death, he&#039;ll just be punished, but a son tells his Dad he to get f*c%ed then he can be killed&#8230;. I guess Jewish slaves don&#039;t have as much right to life as Christians eh. So to say that Islam is rubbish because of one appointed mans words of stupidity, when the fabric of existence you base your life on was born from bloodshed, fire &amp; brimstone is bigoted, hateful, and hypocrticial.</p>
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		<title>By: SeandBlogonaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeandBlogonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes umm... totally intended - eight ball in corner pocket ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes umm&#8230; totally intended &#8211; eight ball in corner pocket <img src='http://seantheblogonaut.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ink.and.metal.still</title>
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		<dc:creator>ink.and.metal.still</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So am I. and frankly Mam&#039;s more offensive. Yay Sir!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So am I. and frankly Mam&#039;s more offensive. Yay Sir!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ink.and.metal.again</title>
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		<dc:creator>ink.and.metal.again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;SHE&#039; LL be right&quot; . She. Oh the irony is beautiful. How very appropriate :) 
(No sarcasm- Your turn of phrase and choice of context is both Intelligent and Amusing- thanks for getting a smile out of me on this ugly issue) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;SHE&#039; LL be right&quot; . She. Oh the irony is beautiful. How very appropriate <img src='http://seantheblogonaut.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(No sarcasm- Your turn of phrase and choice of context is both Intelligent and Amusing- thanks for getting a smile out of me on this ugly issue)</p>
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