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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...kinda makes ya wonder if the&lt;br/&gt;real &quot;demons&quot; aren&#039;t the ones passing out the &quot;treatment&quot; along with &quot;conversion&quot;/do it our way or&lt;br/&gt;else--????&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess one would have to try to discover if the politicians there&lt;br/&gt;receive donations from MM/Hillsong, etc., and if so, is there a limit on how much one lobby&lt;br/&gt;can donate?  And if so, does MM have yet another tentacle that they&lt;br/&gt;funnel political contributions thru?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or, I guess another answer could be&lt;br/&gt;that the MM &amp; places/groups like it&lt;br/&gt;aren&#039;t on the politicians rader.  Or they are, &amp; it just isn&#039;t a &quot;priority&quot; right now.  It WOULD be if any of THEM had relatives in one those &quot;circle the wagons&quot; cults!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;kinda makes ya wonder if the<br />real &#8220;demons&#8221; aren&#8217;t the ones passing out the &#8220;treatment&#8221; along with &#8220;conversion&#8221;/do it our way or<br />else&#8211;????</p>
<p>I guess one would have to try to discover if the politicians there<br />receive donations from MM/Hillsong, etc., and if so, is there a limit on how much one lobby<br />can donate?  And if so, does MM have yet another tentacle that they<br />funnel political contributions thru?</p>
<p>Or, I guess another answer could be<br />that the MM &#038; places/groups like it<br />aren&#8217;t on the politicians rader.  Or they are, &#038; it just isn&#8217;t a &#8220;priority&#8221; right now.  It WOULD be if any of THEM had relatives in one those &#8220;circle the wagons&#8221; cults!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its disgraceful behaviour isn&#039;t it. Some just think that good intention is all you need.  We all know where the road leads that is paved with good intention.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; I am angry at these organisations, but I am angry at our politicians as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t care what your religion is if you are treating me I want you treatment based on evidence not &quot;woo&quot;, we don&#039;t stone our children for unruly behavior, we shouldn&#039;t treat mental illness as demonic possession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its disgraceful behaviour isn&#8217;t it. Some just think that good intention is all you need.  We all know where the road leads that is paved with good intention.</p>
<p> I am angry at these organisations, but I am angry at our politicians as well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what your religion is if you are treating me I want you treatment based on evidence not &#8220;woo&#8221;, we don&#8217;t stone our children for unruly behavior, we shouldn&#8217;t treat mental illness as demonic possession.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Near the end- that should be &quot;sing&lt;br/&gt;for your supper&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Near the end- that should be &#8220;sing<br />for your supper&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/06/teen-challenge-south-australia-services/comment-page-1/#comment-2109</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, GOOD GRIEF!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A few things that tick me off about&lt;br/&gt;this rampant bit of propaganda:&lt;br/&gt;  Jesus is not responsible, necessarily for making one a &quot;whole&quot; person- that falls primarily on the person.  Are you lazy &amp;/or sitting back whining around?  Are you going to college/university &amp;/or helping someone whom has more &quot;need&quot; than you do (food, clothes, etc.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Well, at least they&#039;ve admitted they/their staff aren&#039;t fully qualifed in the normal manner.  But&lt;br/&gt;when you are dealing with addictive&lt;br/&gt;personalities/traumatized persons, you&#039;d BETTER have accredited folk on your staff.  I&#039;m not so sure I&#039;d prefer to have someone as MY&lt;br/&gt;therapist that had learned their&lt;br/&gt;way of thinking thru &quot;hard knocks&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;THAT doesn&#039;t qualify you to &quot;guide&quot;/redirect a persons thinking whose brain chemicals have&lt;br/&gt;likely been altered by drugs and or&lt;br/&gt;trauma.  And if the brain chemicals&lt;br/&gt;have been &quot;altered&quot; over a long period of time, by drug abuse or the pt.&#039;s inner self going into &quot;self protection mode&quot; for yrs., no amount of Bible spouting is going to change that.  The chemicals, in MOST cases, are unalterably changed, the pt does NOT &quot;go back&quot; to what they were before the mental illness presents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, it would appear the challenge to teens AND anyone else is really:&lt;br/&gt;Find an accredited mental health professional that accepts Centrelink (and you should be able to get a list of professionals that do), make an appt. and begin&lt;br/&gt;therapy.  Therapists have NO business bringing &quot;faith&quot; into their practice.  That would be somewhat like a preacher saying from the pulpit &quot;Hey, you there,in&lt;br/&gt;the 3rd pew- it&#039;s my observation that you need to go see Dr. So and So!&quot;  So what- that&#039;s NONE of the preacher&#039;s business!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When is somebody on MM/Teen Challenge&#039;s Bd of Directors or a &lt;br/&gt;&quot;contributor&quot; to STAND UP and demand a thorough accounting of where all the $$ is going?????&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Apparently, the services are &quot;free&quot;&lt;br/&gt;if you come up with 200., and sign over your insurance benefits, sign&lt;br/&gt;for your supper and cut yourself off from everyone you had dealings&lt;br/&gt;with beforehand.  That is NOT treatment.  THAT is ultimate control.  If they were so concerned&lt;br/&gt;about true treatment, after the initial &quot;detox&quot; time of 2-4 wks., they would, at some point, agree to&lt;br/&gt;work in tandem with whatever professional the pt. had been seeing (if any) on the outside.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, I forgot.  They can&#039;t do that,&lt;br/&gt;now can they.  Cause if they have and discourse with REAL professionals on a case, they might&lt;br/&gt;be uncovered for what they are- a&lt;br/&gt;bunch of boobs feigning &quot;treatment&quot;&lt;br/&gt;to rake in $$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, GOOD GRIEF!!</p>
<p>A few things that tick me off about<br />this rampant bit of propaganda:<br />  Jesus is not responsible, necessarily for making one a &#8220;whole&#8221; person- that falls primarily on the person.  Are you lazy &#038;/or sitting back whining around?  Are you going to college/university &#038;/or helping someone whom has more &#8220;need&#8221; than you do (food, clothes, etc.)</p>
<p>Well, at least they&#8217;ve admitted they/their staff aren&#8217;t fully qualifed in the normal manner.  But<br />when you are dealing with addictive<br />personalities/traumatized persons, you&#8217;d BETTER have accredited folk on your staff.  I&#8217;m not so sure I&#8217;d prefer to have someone as MY<br />therapist that had learned their<br />way of thinking thru &#8220;hard knocks&#8221;.<br />THAT doesn&#8217;t qualify you to &#8220;guide&#8221;/redirect a persons thinking whose brain chemicals have<br />likely been altered by drugs and or<br />trauma.  And if the brain chemicals<br />have been &#8220;altered&#8221; over a long period of time, by drug abuse or the pt.&#8217;s inner self going into &#8220;self protection mode&#8221; for yrs., no amount of Bible spouting is going to change that.  The chemicals, in MOST cases, are unalterably changed, the pt does NOT &#8220;go back&#8221; to what they were before the mental illness presents.</p>
<p>So, it would appear the challenge to teens AND anyone else is really:<br />Find an accredited mental health professional that accepts Centrelink (and you should be able to get a list of professionals that do), make an appt. and begin<br />therapy.  Therapists have NO business bringing &#8220;faith&#8221; into their practice.  That would be somewhat like a preacher saying from the pulpit &#8220;Hey, you there,in<br />the 3rd pew- it&#8217;s my observation that you need to go see Dr. So and So!&#8221;  So what- that&#8217;s NONE of the preacher&#8217;s business!!</p>
<p>When is somebody on MM/Teen Challenge&#8217;s Bd of Directors or a <br />&#8220;contributor&#8221; to STAND UP and demand a thorough accounting of where all the $$ is going?????</p>
<p>Apparently, the services are &#8220;free&#8221;<br />if you come up with 200., and sign over your insurance benefits, sign<br />for your supper and cut yourself off from everyone you had dealings<br />with beforehand.  That is NOT treatment.  THAT is ultimate control.  If they were so concerned<br />about true treatment, after the initial &#8220;detox&#8221; time of 2-4 wks., they would, at some point, agree to<br />work in tandem with whatever professional the pt. had been seeing (if any) on the outside.</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot.  They can&#8217;t do that,<br />now can they.  Cause if they have and discourse with REAL professionals on a case, they might<br />be uncovered for what they are- a<br />bunch of boobs feigning &#8220;treatment&#8221;<br />to rake in $$$.</p>
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