Comments on: The right to live, the right to die – the right to choose http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/ Advocate for Science, Reason and Atheism Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:02:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Abbey http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4406 Abbey Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:59:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4406 Missus T, why should one have the right to die if they are in pain, cancer etc, but not if they are suicidal..is that not imposing our values on an individuals decision. <br/><br/>Thats what concerns me when Govts, Dr's Lawyers, God squad etc get involved that people will be dictated to by others values - which may not necessarily be your own...<br/><br/>I believe the how where when should be down to the individual...and the why is their own as well...if euthenasia is available, you shouldnt have to justify why you want to use it...not an opinion held by many others but it is mine... Missus T, why should one have the right to die if they are in pain, cancer etc, but not if they are suicidal..is that not imposing our values on an individuals decision.

Thats what concerns me when Govts, Dr’s Lawyers, God squad etc get involved that people will be dictated to by others values – which may not necessarily be your own…

I believe the how where when should be down to the individual…and the why is their own as well…if euthenasia is available, you shouldnt have to justify why you want to use it…not an opinion held by many others but it is mine…

]]> By: T&amp;A http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4403 T&amp;A Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:22:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4403 Whiney: You are correct, we don't put down animals in the manner that Schiavo was. Unfortunately the law prohibits humans from being put to sleep. So the removal of a tube was the only recourse left. <br/><br/>As far as Shiavo being PVS or not will remain up for debate. There wasn't any definitive evidence either way. I personally believe she was. But of course neither you or I can ascertain what her condition was, if the medical community couldn't agree.<br/><br/>I still ask, why would Michael Shiavo fight so hard to have her tube removed, if he wasn't conducting Terri's wishes? Why not just hand her care over to her family, and get a divorce? Something doesn't add up here. Whiney: You are correct, we don’t put down animals in the manner that Schiavo was. Unfortunately the law prohibits humans from being put to sleep. So the removal of a tube was the only recourse left.

As far as Shiavo being PVS or not will remain up for debate. There wasn’t any definitive evidence either way. I personally believe she was. But of course neither you or I can ascertain what her condition was, if the medical community couldn’t agree.

I still ask, why would Michael Shiavo fight so hard to have her tube removed, if he wasn’t conducting Terri’s wishes? Why not just hand her care over to her family, and get a divorce? Something doesn’t add up here.

]]> By: tina http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4381 tina Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:46:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4381 After reading something in the paper recently, I downloaded the form to fill out. After reading something in the paper recently, I downloaded the form to fill out.

]]> By: Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4377 Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:10:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4377 @iol,<br/><br/>thanks for the links, I will check them out. @iol,

thanks for the links, I will check them out.

]]> By: iol. http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4374 iol. Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:34:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4374 Sean said.......<br/><br/>"To further clarify my position I am for voluntary euthanasia. Where the person is making the decision not some family member on unfounded, unproven wishes."<br/><br/>I have a possible solution that would help clarify the above ....<br/><br/>Prepare a "living will" and give a copy to your doctor and even your lawyer and loved ones.<br/><br/>Basically it's telling them what medical treatment you want should you not be in a position to tell them (eg. after a stroke, heart attack etc etc)<br/><br/>You can get one free online here....<br/>http://www.awillr.com.au/Services/Planning_Ahead_Guide/step4.php<br/><br/><br/>and information here<br/><br/>http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/2004/adcare_directives.html<br/><br/><br/>It might be a good idea to update it regularly so that everyone knows you haven't changed your mind! Sean said…….

“To further clarify my position I am for voluntary euthanasia. Where the person is making the decision not some family member on unfounded, unproven wishes.”

I have a possible solution that would help clarify the above ….

Prepare a “living will” and give a copy to your doctor and even your lawyer and loved ones.

Basically it’s telling them what medical treatment you want should you not be in a position to tell them (eg. after a stroke, heart attack etc etc)

You can get one free online here….
http://www.awillr.com.au/Services/Planning_Ahead_Guide/step4.php

and information here

http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/2004/adcare_directives.html

It might be a good idea to update it regularly so that everyone knows you haven’t changed your mind!

]]> By: wineymomma http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4365 wineymomma Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:02:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4365 The last time I checked we don't "put down" animals by denying them the hydration necessary to sustain life. Animals that are weak and suffering are put down in such a way as to minimize suffering.<br/><br/>I don't believe that Michael Schiavo was necessarily in it for the money. I believe that he found himself in another relationship and wanted to be free and clear of Terri.<br/><br/>I believe that Terri's family did use religion as a reasoning for keeping her alive I also believe that the loud voices of fundamentalists were the voices that were heard. I believe that they just wanted to give their daughter, sister a chance. There is some substantiated belief among doctors (cited on the previous link) that with the proper rehab Terri could have made more of a recovery.<br/><br/>I applaud those with advanced medical directives. I have one myself. I don't want my family to suffer along side of me if I find myself in such a situation. <br/><br/>I don't believe however that an AD would have helped in this situation as terri was not brain dead and it is widely believed that she was not in a PSV. The last time I checked we don’t “put down” animals by denying them the hydration necessary to sustain life. Animals that are weak and suffering are put down in such a way as to minimize suffering.

I don’t believe that Michael Schiavo was necessarily in it for the money. I believe that he found himself in another relationship and wanted to be free and clear of Terri.

I believe that Terri’s family did use religion as a reasoning for keeping her alive I also believe that the loud voices of fundamentalists were the voices that were heard. I believe that they just wanted to give their daughter, sister a chance. There is some substantiated belief among doctors (cited on the previous link) that with the proper rehab Terri could have made more of a recovery.

I applaud those with advanced medical directives. I have one myself. I don’t want my family to suffer along side of me if I find myself in such a situation.

I don’t believe however that an AD would have helped in this situation as terri was not brain dead and it is widely believed that she was not in a PSV.

]]> By: T&amp;A http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4363 T&amp;A Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:42:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4363 Great post!<br/><br/>I've never understood the fact that we have no problem "putting down" animals that are sick, lame or very old. So why is it wrong to apply the same set of morals for humans? Of course it all because of bullshit religion, but still? <br/><br/>As far as the Shiavo case is concerned, what kind of life did she have? My question is what did Michael Shiavo stand to gain by going to the lengths he did?<br/><br/>Sure there was the $800,000 for her rehab, but most of it was used for the legal fees. Did he really get anything out of it? If he really was after this money then it backfired. There is also the matter of Mr. Shiavo being offered $1 mIllion to hand over guardianship to Terri's parents by tycoon Robert Herring. Again if it was about money, then why did MS refuse to give up guardianship? I suspect he fought hard to carry out his wife's wishes.<br/><br/>The family members were hanging onto a memory of Terri. In my opinion fighting to keep a shell of that woman alive was understandable, but selfish. Not to mention based upon religious belief. My wife and I made sure that we are both covered legally in a scenario such as this. There is no way neither of us want to be here if we're in a PVS! Great post!

I’ve never understood the fact that we have no problem “putting down” animals that are sick, lame or very old. So why is it wrong to apply the same set of morals for humans? Of course it all because of bullshit religion, but still?

As far as the Shiavo case is concerned, what kind of life did she have? My question is what did Michael Shiavo stand to gain by going to the lengths he did?

Sure there was the $800,000 for her rehab, but most of it was used for the legal fees. Did he really get anything out of it? If he really was after this money then it backfired. There is also the matter of Mr. Shiavo being offered $1 mIllion to hand over guardianship to Terri’s parents by tycoon Robert Herring. Again if it was about money, then why did MS refuse to give up guardianship? I suspect he fought hard to carry out his wife’s wishes.

The family members were hanging onto a memory of Terri. In my opinion fighting to keep a shell of that woman alive was understandable, but selfish. Not to mention based upon religious belief. My wife and I made sure that we are both covered legally in a scenario such as this. There is no way neither of us want to be here if we’re in a PVS!

]]> By: wineymomma http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4362 wineymomma Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:22:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4362 Yes the Schiavo case was a disgrace. The problem is that the safe guards that should have protected her failed her miserably. If the judge had appointed a guardian ad litum then I think things would have gone in a much different direction. But as it stands now I think she was very cruelly starved to death. Yes the Schiavo case was a disgrace. The problem is that the safe guards that should have protected her failed her miserably. If the judge had appointed a guardian ad litum then I think things would have gone in a much different direction. But as it stands now I think she was very cruelly starved to death.

]]> By: Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4361 Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:18:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4361 To further clarify my position I am for voluntary euthanasia. Where the person is making the decision not some family member on unfounded, unproven wishes. To further clarify my position I am for voluntary euthanasia. Where the person is making the decision not some family member on unfounded, unproven wishes.

]]> By: Plonka http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4360 Plonka Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:49:00 +0000 http://seantheblogonaut.com/2008/02/the-right-to-live-the-right-to-die-the-right-to-choose-2/#comment-4360 The Schiavo case was a disgrace. This is why the need for process, strict procedure and above all, some serious safeguards, as Oz says.<br/><br/>But before that, a lot of very well informed debate and then, as Sean said, the dreaded referendum. The Schiavo case was a disgrace. This is why the need for process, strict procedure and above all, some serious safeguards, as Oz says.

But before that, a lot of very well informed debate and then, as Sean said, the dreaded referendum.

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