Psychodiva has tagged me to read Greta Christina’s post on angry atheists and then post about my own anger and Atheism.
Note that my anger here is a cool anger, a motivating anger not a boiling rage. So I am angry that:
- Christian spin doctors use the term “Judeo-Christian” when they full well mean only Christian. It’s intellectually dishonest and an attempt to appear inclusive when in reality thew want anything but.
- The Australian government has forked out 35 million for the popes visit to Australia next year. The Catholic Church can pay its own way. If the Catholics want him here they can donate their money. This is state support for an international despot and an enemy of democracy.
- That our children are subjected to religious education in state schools and that the alternative for those not wanting to participate in this is free time, doing janitorial work etc when you could be teaching these kids about civics and democracy.
- For critically analyzing or scrutinizing religion we get labeled as Angry Atheists
I won’t tag anyone, but I would encourage you to post about the topic and link back to Greta and Psychodiva’s page if you do
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Sean-
I read Greta’s post and yours and I am angry about all the things you all are.
I have to disagree with you on the reasons why but I do agree that all of the things that piss you guys off do the same for me.
I also agree that anger (in the motivating sense) is a good thing because it is inspiring. It inspires us to change ourselves, our way of thinking, and our world.
>>international despot and an enemy of democracy.< <
Isn’t this the God’s truth.
I’d shuffle the order, but that’s about all (I’d have no. 3 at the top)…
Donna has emailed me this comment:
After having read PD’s and your tag-it thingies, I agree with both of you.
Being a fair-minded person, tho, I am relatively sure that you know every “Christian” in the U.S./world is NOT out to shove it
down any atheist’s throat. I don’t consider YOU “wrong”, just of a
different opinion. I do not think my tax dollars should go to support religious education, nor tax “credits”. The U.S. is “founded on God”, but there is ALSO separation of church & state, and that means NO forced “church-y” stuff in school. A moment of silence for personal religious reflection, fine.
As I told you (maybe you didn’t read it yet) the groups I have a
problem with are the “Fundamentalist” fruitcake groups. There is
a BIG “Bible college” in my general metropolitan area, and it confers “degrees”. When in actuality, the students pay “tuition”, but the “college” is NOT an accredited college/university, so your “credits” wouldn’t transfer to a REAL school if you wanted to. Nope, no real degrees of “doctorate of divinity/theology”. Just
“degrees” in whatever fruitcake fundamentalist _rap thought up.
This is the same fundamentalist group that used to (and may still)
own a large restaurant in the same metropolitan area I’m speaking of. Several yrs. ago, a friend told me that her daughter had complained to her that @ beginning of shift ea. day, the workers
were made to join hands & pray that the equipt. wouldn’t break down, that they’d make lots of money for Jesus, etc. ad nauseum.
After she told me that, I never went back. It’s like the control on
the tv. If you don’t like what’s on, turn it off/don’t shop/buy there.
Right now, I am _issed about our “guests” coming from the south,
over the border, illegally and milking our welfare system, etc. Um, if other “guests” from UK, Europe, Asia, Oz, etc. have to come in LEGALLY, why not those from the south??????
Yes I know that not all Christians are tarred with the same brush. Believe or not I have more Christian friends than Atheists, in “real life” and we all get on fine and respect each other if not our respective beliefs or lack there of.
On the founding of the US. It is my understanding that the constitution does not mention God and the line “One nation Under God” was only added to the pledge of allegiance in 1950. When the specter of the Soviet Union arose.
A fair number of the Founding fathers were Deists rather than Christian and in the Treaty of Tripoli signed soon after the constitution was written it is spelled out that the US in no way was founded on the Christian Religion.
I have a problem with Mega-churches and fundamentalists as well as prosperity gospel adherents .
The problem is that they are so many versions of Christianity all calling themselves Christians. I would label you and many of my other Christian friends as moderate or mainstream Christians.
What I would like to see is more mainstream Christians criticizing the fundi’s
On immigration, I am not up on the American situation but I would agree, unless you are a refugee then you should have to wait like everyone else.
Wineymomma,
I think we would agree on a great many things
As I alluded to when commenting on Donna’s thoughts. I think more “mainstream” Christians have to be vocal in criticizing the bad eggs of the Christian community.
regarding #2: that’s f*cked up.
I’m totally with you on the whole Idea of mainstreamers needing to speak up. I am finding my voice and learning to speak up for the love that I find in the things I am reading!:)
Wineymomma – Credit where credit is due, I applaud your efforts.
Hi Sean. I was intending to do a post in response to Greta Christina’s as well.
To be honest, I don’t consider myself to be particularly angry for an atheist. But I attribute that to my own personal circumstances. My family is small and fragmented, so there is no pressure to conform to the Catholicism in which I was raised. Suburban Long Island, while having its fill of church-goers, is relatively tolerant compared to other parts of the United States.
That being said, I don’t deny the validity of the anger that other atheists may feel.