We received an application today and on this person’s resume, under hobbies and interests they listed “Practising Christian and stated the Church to which they belonged.
Alarm bells rang in my head. What sort of person sees the need to actively announce their faith to a potential employer, what does this reveal about their personality in relation to a) other Christians b) other religions c)people of no faith.
Now i am all for standing up for your beliefs regardless of their ridiculous nature. But why the added qualification shouldn’t simply “Christian” be enough or atheist, hindu etc. I am wondering if what he meant was True Christian or real Christian.
In the end I don’t think the employer has a right to know your religious beliefs, unless they might interfere with your ability to do your job.
So on that note and because I feel like spreading the love I have gone to cafe press and bought the following(I thought I’d better thumb my nose at Islam before I get accused of being just Anti-christian).
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These were bought from
http://www.cafepress.com/lastword
I like them… I’m getting a couple too…
I take it the person doesn’t get the job then
I would never rule a person out religious affiliation. If they can do the job they get hired.
It does give an interesting insight into a persons approach to life though.
What would you want with a couple of practicing christians…oh I get it
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Interesting dilemma Sean, I would be worried that this person will be ‘very open’ about their Christianity once they are in the workplace. This may cause some ‘interesting’ discussions.
However you are right in that you can’t discriminate against them just because they are religious.
PS. my wife has the opposite problem; being an atheist and employing atheists within a religious organisation.
I don’t know about the laws and regulations in Australia, but…I can safely say that that person would probably NOT have been hired here. It’s not that it’s illegal to state your religion on an application (although, it *is* illegal to ask about religion), it’s highly frowned upon because it’s a warning of possible lawsuits. The employer isn’t supposed to discriminate based on religion…and the religious know it. My husband has a PhD in Human Resources and Business Law. I guess it’s not uncommon for someone to list their religion or involvement in a Church and then call foul when they’re not hired for reasons other than the religion. Like, say, there was a more qualified applicant. Because they put their religion on the application, they try to argue that there’s discrimination. As a result, a lot of applications state that the applicant is discouraged for putting; their age, their religion, the details of their family, and stuff like that.
The Laws are similar PM. I value a diverse workplace. I constantly jibe with the local catholic, get called a heathen, get asked not to stand next to him (lest he get struck by lightning)and its all in good fun. In the end we don’t let religion of lack thereof interfere with friendship.
The guy I refer to is excellent on paper. It’s just concerning because of the amount of damage that can be done to group dynamics, by a well intentioned evangelical.
That being said I have met some evangelical Christians that would put Jesus to shame, never once did they foist their opinion on myself or others.
I would never put active atheist on my applications – not that this would prevent me from getting a job, but my employer does not need that information, what I do in my time is my business.
I do wear my godless shirt and cap to work, but then several people wear crucifixes.
Apologies on the typos I am having a shit day today.
In Utah there is a lot of work place descrimination because of religion. It is usually more discreet though. It is usually listed or discussed as “serving” for 2 years in (insert foreign country here). That lets the prospective employer know that they served an LDS mission.
I once worked for a local car dealership. I had worked there for about 2 years when a young girl was hired to help out in our payroll office. She was VERY LDS. When I accidentally found out one day that she was making over a dollar more an hour than I was (she wasn’t very bright) I confronted the controller about it. He said “well she has an associates degree from LDS business college”. My response was simply “I have an associates also, and a BACHELORS” But apparently they didn’t count as much because they didn’t come from LDS business college. This was the same company that paid the guys who moved and washed cars more than those of us doing accounting because they were men and might have families to support.
Needless to say I found a new job within a few months.
We have EEO (Equal Employment Opportunity) Policies in Australia, which roughly translates to a merit based approach to employment, with specific targeting of identified minority groups. So if you are aboriginal, female, wheelchair bound, you might be given special consideration above and beyond merit for a position to encourage diversity and adequate representation in the workforce. For example in my state 25% of the population is aboriginal, in government jobs the participation of aboriginal people would not even break 5% of the workforce. So you may not get the job because someone else might be part of a targeted minority.
I would have loved to ask this person how they practice…and how it was relevant to the job in question. I like to do lots of things too but listing them on an application, I feel, is in poor taste. Work “personas” and home “personas” should be separated.
Hi Sean,
Having worked in recruiting in a prior life, nothing about what people will put on their resumes suprises me anymore. I agree that people’s personal beliefs should be just that – personal. And, whilst I understand and applaud the Equity and Diversity policy and laws that we have in this country, I am not a fan of affirmative action. I would hate to think I got a job because of I belonged to some particular minority group/s rather than being the best person for the job. BTW, I love your blog. And thanks for the link – I think I have Tex’s birthday gift all sorted now !
Hi Sean,
Having worked in recruiting in a prior life, nothing about what people will put on their resumes suprises me anymore. I agree that people’s personal beliefs should be just that – personal. And, whilst I understand and applaud the Equity and Diversity policy and laws that we have in this country, I am not a fan of affirmative action. I would hate to think I got a job because of I belonged to some particular minority group/s rather than being the best person for the job. BTW, I love your blog. And thanks for the link – I think I have Tex’s birthday gift all sorted now !
Hi Sean,
Having worked in recruiting in a prior life, nothing about what people will put on their resumes suprises me anymore. I agree that people’s personal beliefs should be just that – personal. And, whilst I understand and applaud the Equity and Diversity policy and laws that we have in this country, I am not a fan of affirmative action. I would hate to think I got a job because of I belonged to some particular minority group/s rather than being the best person for the job. BTW, I love your blog. And thanks for the link – I think I have Tex’s birthday gift all sorted now !
Hi Sean,
Having worked in recruiting in a prior life, nothing about what people will put on their resumes suprises me anymore. I agree that people’s personal beliefs should be just that – personal. And, whilst I understand and applaud the Equity and Diversity policy and laws that we have in this country, I am not a fan of affirmative action. I would hate to think I got a job because of I belonged to some particular minority group/s rather than being the best person for the job. BTW, I love your blog. And thanks for the link – I think I have Tex’s birthday gift all sorted now !
Hi Sean,
Having worked in recruiting in a prior life, nothing about what people will put on their resumes suprises me anymore. I agree that people’s personal beliefs should be just that – personal. And, whilst I understand and applaud the Equity and Diversity policy and laws that we have in this country, I am not a fan of affirmative action. I would hate to think I got a job because of I belonged to some particular minority group/s rather than being the best person for the job. BTW, I love your blog. And thanks for the link – I think I have Tex’s birthday gift all sorted now !
Hi Sean,
Having worked in recruiting in a prior life, nothing about what people will put on their resumes suprises me anymore. I agree that people’s personal beliefs should be just that – personal. And, whilst I understand and applaud the Equity and Diversity policy and laws that we have in this country, I am not a fan of affirmative action. I would hate to think I got a job because of I belonged to some particular minority group/s rather than being the best person for the job. BTW, I love your blog. And thanks for the link – I think I have Tex’s birthday gift all sorted now !
Hi Sean,
Having worked in recruiting in a prior life, nothing about what people will put on their resumes suprises me anymore. I agree that people’s personal beliefs should be just that – personal. And, whilst I understand and applaud the Equity and Diversity policy and laws that we have in this country, I am not a fan of affirmative action. I would hate to think I got a job because of I belonged to some particular minority group/s rather than being the best person for the job. BTW, I love your blog. And thanks for the link – I think I have Tex’s birthday gift all sorted now !
I like them as well.
Doubt my christian wife would buy me that for christmas though.
Hello to Tex’s Missus and Sarah,
Sarah,
Yeah I wouldn’t mind asking him what he means. I think its demeaning to others of the Christian Faith, just a might short of saying I am a “true” Christian.
Mrs Tex,
On affirmative action, I think it was necessary to change work cultures in some areas – certainly within Govt departments.
JP,
She could buy them for herself as well. Christian’s are infidels too.
What does FCD stand for? My wife and I thought of lots of stuff, but only one made sense: Friend of Charles Darwin.
On my blog I’ve posed the question.
So let me guess, he starts after the holidays?
This reminds me of a story my friend Chris told me. When he was a lad he went on vacation to California with his Mormon neighbor and his family. (Chris was Catholic) While being seated for dinner at a restaurant the person assisting them asked if they would like a (the adults mind you) a cocktail menu. The father of the clan spoke up quickly and said proudly “No thank you, we are Mormon and we don’t drink!”
Chris said he was mortified! Like he said, why not just say no thank you? Instead this idiot had to make a spectacle of himself and those around him. I can just imagine what the employee said once outside of hearing range…
Tex…
Oooh, Oooh, Oooh (raises hand) can I answer this one???
I do know that FCD means Friend of Charles Darwin.
I wonder though if Sean is having a bad day it might mean “fucking, cunty douches?”
Tex,
You are correct on FCD, although yesterday I would have agreed with Poodles
Probably means the person filling out the application is American!!
Abbey,
Its a possibility, I would have to look at the resume again though.
wierd thing to put on a resume. it’s even bad form to your gender and age on your resume over here in blighty. I certainly wouldn’t put on there that ‘I enjoy debating religions with other athiests’ as a hobby o0 and the business I’m in is one of the least concerend with such fares o0
I guess they are just being proud. But in country that is majority Christian is there any need.
Merry Xmas to you the Missus and the kitties!
Hmmmm…I can’t begin to imagine having to announce my faith in such a way. That goes against everything that I have been studying.
To announce your faith in any fashion goes against what I believe.
I believe that we demonstrate our faith in the way we live-not by publishing it on out resumes.
I like the infidel shirts myself-maybe for my next present to myself!
This is an interesting one. We have a muslim who recently started with us. Nice enough bloke but he downs tools a number of times a day to pray. We are not allowed to discriminate, so we have to take a hit on productivity, albeit minimal.
Plonka this is interesting.
Judging by the drama by Aussie employers over cigarette breaks* why can’t we consider banning prayer breaks.
* for example… 1 2 3 4
Protium:
Hehe.. I liked that one from The Age:
“Not only do they go alone, but they take a couple of buddies to go smoking with them,” he said.
They go alone and take someone with them. Does that mean they can have their cake and eat it?
Welcome wineymomma,
I agree. It goes against the grain a bit almost like those people that like to say how much they donate to charity.
Interesting point Plonka & Protium, perhaps we will see an increase in smoking Muslims