I was over at Matt Blair’s blog , he’s a fundi. Not a take over the world type but more a back to bible basics, the bible is the inerrent word of god blah.
I won’t comment on his site as we are diametrically opposed in regards to religion and reality and I simply have better things to do than get into a debate with some one who thinks that if two passages in the bible contradict each other, then they are both right.
That being said he did post the following picture. Calling the guy a Jesus hater and, accusing OzAtheist of being one too, and by association most Atheists I gather.
No I don’t hate Jesus, or God – they don’t exist. What I hate is that these constructs are used to manipulate and denegrate other humans.
Now on the picture above – I have looked athe the Undo Jesus site, nothing in their mission satement etc expresses the sentiment in the above picture. What was this guy thinking? I doubt that he hates Jesus, but he’s going in pretty hard with that slogan. The sign is I think unhelpfully confronting. I could think of a number of other less violent and far more witty slogans to capture peoples attention, or promote Atheism/Scepticism/Rationality.
We want to make believers think, not roll down the shutters and bar the doors. Were is the finess and witt. Have we resorted to hurling insults at each other.
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I hear what you are saying about being unnecessarily confrontational.
On the other hand, I have used just such a sentiment to christians who say. “but but what if god shows up on your door step”. To which I’ve replied variously, “then he has a lot of explaining to do about morality” or “he’d get a swift kick square in the nuts”, and now I’d add to these choices, “kill him again”.
If there is a god, it is NOT good and does NOT deserve to be worshipped but rather fought against. If this is the best world he could come up with? The best heaven that can be offered? Pffft. My kids invent better worlds and ideas then this botched experiment.
I don’t hate jeebus because he isn’t real. but if he WAS real, I would hate him.
oh! And I forgot to mention hell!!!!! What kind of “loving” creator punishes ANYBODY for an eternity.
Fiery calls BULLSHIT on god.
While I tend to agree that confrontation isn’t the answer. I have to admit I laughed my ass off when I saw that photo!
I just think the photo plays right into the hands of the dim witted christian right.
Well, I suppose that’s one way to get attention.
I tend to think that methods like signs and protests aren’t very effective – if they were, no one would seek out an abortion (those people are fucking ruthless). But, I’m okay with verbal confrontations when believers try to define my atheism for me OR when they make comments that show their complete lack of knowledge on the subject.
That’s funny…I have never seen the sentence at the top of the comment box before. Ohhh…blasphemy?
I just thought a little of both, funny yet brave(dumb?)
Sean,
My poor vision and my small monitor provided me with a blurry image of the photo. Text conveniently resizes in my browser; photos do not. But, when I got in close enough to make it out I, like T&A, laughed my ass off. There is a real cockiness that appeals to me in the sentiment. It’s like: here’s one for the Crusades you rat bastards or witch hunts you son-of-a-bitches or bloodletting you cocksuckers or anti-contraception you pricks or anti-homosexualism you assholes or anti-women’s rights you fuckheads or institutional child molestation you worthless fucking skanks. It may not suit your personality, and I know I’d have to be in just the right mood to cart it around, but I do think it unequivocally gets its bearer’s point across.
When it comes to being confrontational about religion, I think that there are some people who will only dismiss you if you “play nice,” but they will sit up and take notice if you are more forceful in approach. Some people need the whack in the head, at least figuratively, before they will be at all receptive to what you have to say.
A couple years ago, two Jehovah’s Witnesses, a man and a woman, came to my door and I answered it with my 15 year old son in tow. I outlined my moral objections to christianity with several bible quotes and I pressed them both very hard, with my young son witnessing their distress, to justify how they could morally endorse such a reprehensible conception of a god that would commit such vulgar acts. They had intentionally entered my domain and I wanted to wring every drop of blood from them that I could. I wanted my son to see what happens when you challenge their delusions. With their anxiety escalating by the second, it became apparent that they only wanted out. I challenged them further which at least got them to linger long enough for my final flourish.
Where is your silly-assed god now? Why doesn’t it come to your defense? Why do you continue to be part of a religion that glorifies a thing that would destroy all of mankind – its supposedly loved children no less – because it was pissed off? What does it say about you that you are so pathetic as to desire approval from people who think the christian mass-murdering god should be thought of as a loving father? How can you look at yourself in the mirror when you realize that you worship a thing that would drown untold numbers of unarguably innocent human babies while it saved rattlesnakes, scorpions and possums on Noah’s ark? I said something to the effect of, “Think of it; not one human child was as worthy of sparing as a goddamned locust, yet, you claim to love that vulgar god. No wonder you consider yourself as morally corrupt. You are.”
I laid it on as hard and heavy as I could before they could get away. At one point the woman sat on the ground exactly where she had stood. I thought she was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. She was visibly trembling. She whipped out her cigarettes and started smoking about one a minute. I thought I might need to call an ambulance; she was that disturbed.
About six months later, I saw her in a coffee shop and she thanked me “for setting her straight.” She had left the Jehovah’s Witnesses and was then attending a Unitarian Universalist Church and had gone far toward abandoning theism altogether. She told me that she had never had anyone state to her the simple but obvious facts about the christian god that I had told her that day. She had only heard the believers perspective. She was grateful, appreciative.
Sometimes non-confrontational is the soup du jour, but, then, at other times, on your ass, in your face confrontation, gets the job done. If only I could always precisely gauge which one to emply.
Thanks for the comments folks, I just can’t find any cleverness or humour in it.
Can’t decide if its a riff of the old If you see buddha on the raod kill him thing.
But hey it gets people talking and heading toward the site
atheist in a minivan; But, I’m okay with verbal confrontations when believers try to define my atheism for me OR when they make comments that show their complete lack of knowledge on the subject.
I love that.
I want the guys shirt though.
I agree with you Sean… While I would probably say it to myself or friends, I doubt I would put that sentiment on display at a rally/protest whatever. It seems a little intimidating and against rational argument.
I once got a production gig doing sound for a Carols by Candlelight because the last guy wore a “Jesus is a Cunt” T-Shirt… I found it amusing that I did the gig with a similar T-Shirt on under my jacket…
Actually, Sean, I laughed when I saw the picture and have poached it with credit on my blog.